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History is full of violence stirred by a belief such as religion. And greed, power, and all that other crap.
Well, if the people who did that weren't religious, they would've found another false pretence to do that.
I believe in god and I think that most of the "big" religions believe in the same god, even if they argue about that all the time. I have no problem with atheists / people who believe in other stuff as long as they don't hate me for believing in my god. As long as everybody's peaceful - why should I start a war about faith?

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That feel when you finally understand "religion" is a human-made thing.
I mean, The god does not exist. You may think it exist just because your christian/muslim/jew people forces you to believe in god. But well. It's seriously hard to be an actual atheist. Especially in muslim countries such as mine.
Religion makes you feel weak and forces you to believe in something that doesn't even exist.

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I'm a believer in biologos, word of life. Evolution is a fact. God, however, is not a fact. God is a force that cannot be measured by science of any kind. For example, and to quote someone very important, "trawling the deepest part of the ocean with a net with a 3 inch hole size and not finding any fish smaller than that size doesn't mean there aren't any fish less than 3 inches long."

I wish people would read more and actually TRY to understand this stuff. So many people dismiss God because of religion. FFS God != religion. Religion is an attempt to understand things. Don't believe in religion, believe in a force that set the universe in motion, that gave you consciousness. If we are conscious, and we are just a big group of cells, so is everything else. So are plants, so are molecules. Intelegence is not possible without a connection between a world where logic is abandoned and the moral law is the only thing that counts.

To say that the universe didn't have a start is retarded, so it must have started. That infinitely dense piece of matter came from somewhere. It didn't create itself. That's not possible.

And worst of all: Christians/Jews/Islamists/Whatevers who actually think that Genesis-style creation is a fact. The universe is many billions of years old. Accept the fact that you evolved. "No, we couldn't have evolved because evolution is a random process and it says there is no room for divine intervention." If God is all powerful, he shouldn't have to intervene in the middle of a process. Nothing is random, it's just a really big PRNG that is governing our lives. God knew what to set up, God knew how to set it up, God set it up. That is why there is no room for intervention.

I understand most people are too retarded to understand half of what I am trying to convey. I barely know why I continue to talk about it.

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It's physically impossible that god exists.


God != an object. Of course it's physically impossible.

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What about Jesus Christ?


If you are honestly that stupid, Jesus was a person. He physically existed. They found his remains. Retarded question is retarded.

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That feel when you finally understand "religion" is a human-made thing.
I mean, The god does not exist. You may think it exist just because your christian/muslim/jew people forces you to believe in god. But well. It's seriously hard to be an actual atheist. Especially in muslim countries such as mine.
Religion makes you feel weak and forces you to believe in something that doesn't even exist.
and this is where some people will start yapping about : God does exist

God Beliver - how can you proove he does not exist?
Atheist - But can you proove he does?
God Beliver - we have painting & drawings of jesus, virgin mary & a whole buch of other stuff!
Atheist - Drawn by people...
God Beliver - BU- N- MAYB- ...

See? It all goes down to this point where we cant proove if god really exists or not... Stuff like : Paranormal Activity gets in the way of saying there are GHOSTS & if there are ghosts means there is god. Typical answers like : Everything must have an explanation - with science,biology & Physics...

This fight between God Lovers & NON god belivers can go on forever... You cant just proove something to someone without knowing the answers yourself can you?

Now dont get me wrong :
Im a christian - but i dont belive in god... What does that make me? An atheist you say? No... Im on a neutral side... I dont give a f*** if god exists or not...

Here is a question to atheists : If you dont belive god... then why do you still use phrases like (Dear god, Ohh Hell, God Damn & etc.) ???

A questions to God Belivers : If god made you what you are today? Tell me why cant he make up his f***ing mind of whats right & whats wrong?

Hah - Guys i can go on with this stuff for hours

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Religion makes you feel weak and forces you to believe in something that doesn't even exist.

Not for me - even tho im a christian - i dont feel weak, i just dont give a damn.

About sanatism - is another whole story
made by some id*ots who dont have brains...
Why belive in Satan if you dont belive in god?

Its said in the book : God created the devil..
Question? Why? For What? So we can go kill each other, rape women,rob & lie? Great job god!

Question to all God Belivers - If there are SOO MANY GODS in each religion - who says we cant create our own god? Belive in our own imaginary god?
Why cant we do that? Is that against church rules?
LOL okay now im just messing with you

But really - for example if you put me in as a God Beliver - i would belive in Ra (God of Sun - Egyptian god) not this god wich YOU speak of...

People belive in god wich gives them hope that their someone in that deep blue sky or in space wich watches upon their doings... it sort of makes them feel safe as i belive... for example if someone survives a fall or a car crash they say that a guardian angel or god saved their lives... others tend to say its just LUCK...

Also many Egyptians say GODS created pyramids - others say humans - but can humans really do that? A small bit of people belive it was aliens... But what does that have to do with GOD? infact - why are there SOO MANY GODS? really do we need so many? Cant we have just one?

Also if GOD exists... WHO CREATED HIM? Why?
Out of what? Too many un answerd questions...

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It didn't create itself.
- Okay... but there are other questions - does it have a limit? Think outside the box here, litteraly...

If jesus was reborn & came back to earth - why cant he do it again? or WHY does he not do it? Are we not ready?

Where was god when 9/11 happend? Why did he not save all those innocent lives? Was it their time already?
Little children died in that accident... What did god create them just to take them away from their families?
Then what was gods point of creating them anyway?

Even DC had a little point in the bible
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We evolved. Omg. Why do most people that believe in religion have no fucking clue what evolution is. Do you people even go to school!?

Less church for you. Read a book other than the bible.

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Really, I have no problem connecting evolution / mathematics / physics / other science with my religion. I can believe in god (and believe in god creating everything) while still knowing that evolution exists. It's just not 7 human days. God might have started the whole evolution. His way of creating things perhaps.
I just don't understand people who deny evolution. I am very religious and I don't deny evolution. Works fine.

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Atheist - But can you proove he does?

Ahhh, Yes because the world was created by ganadi, the water was created by the rain ( and snow ), Our eyes and brain and everything just was on us.


Yes the world was created by some guy named ganadi.

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We evolved. Omg. Why do most people that believe in religion have no fucking clue what evolution is. Do you people even go to school!?

Less church for you. Read a book other than the bible.


This is because some people choose not to listen in school rather than learn something from biology.

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Where was god when 9/11 happend? Why did he not save all those innocent lives? Was it their time already?
Little children died in that accident... What did god create them just to take them away from their families?
Then what was gods point of creating them anyway?

Thats what Heaven and Hell are made for.
I don't know about Christianity but in Islam when children die they go straight to heaven.
Also this life is a test so the point of your creation is to worship Allah (who is the same god everyone worshiping), It's not like you either go to Hell or heaven, some people go to hell for some time then go to heaven, other people go and stay in hell/heaven for ever.

As I said before It's a test so expect it to be tough and Allah helps you but you just can't see it. For example: You got sick and you couldn't go to that party or whatever and you got mad, you would never think that if you went to that party a car will hit you n you will end up in a wheelchair.
Also when bad stuff happens to you, you have more chances than others to go to heaven (your sins get removed..etc).

I explained you some of what Islam really is, I would have said more but I spent much time writing and organizing my post because I suck at explaining stuff.

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"Seeing is believing", this is what people say. This proverb means that one will not believe in the existence of something without actually seeing it. It also means that we would have stronger belief if we see with our own eyes what we are supposed to believe in.

This sounds true, but we believe in many things without having to see them. We don't see electricity, air, gravity and many other things. Still we believe in them because we feel their effects on us. We also see many signs that lead us to believe in the existence of these important things in our life.

Glowing light bulbs, color TV, the voice of a talk show host on the radio, and the noise of our washer and dryer among other things let us know for sure that there is electric current running in the wires. This current makes these devices and machines work.

When trees move around, sail boats travel in the oceans, and our kites fly high, we know for sure that air and wind are causing all that to happen.

We firmly believe that electric power, air and gravity are there although we don't see them. e just see or feel their effects.

What lessons can you draw from the above?

You will know that "seeing is believing" is not always true. We believe in things although we do not see them. Belief in the unseen is a necessity of life.

What do you think about when you come home and see a freshly baked cake? Do you not say, "Hmm, my mother has baked a cake?" This means that if there is something concrete that we can see, then, there must have been someone who made it. If someone told you, "No one baked the cake in the kitchen; it baked itself by accident," you would probably say that it is impossible, someone could have baked it.

What if the person next to you still insists and says:
"The screws of the kitchen cupboards became loose and the cupboards started to rock.
During this rocking, the flour, butter, sugar, and cocoa fell and mixed in just the right proportions. That is to say that everything was just the right amount, the sugar, the cocoa...etc. While the mix was falling off the cupboard, it just happened to directly fall into a baking dish that was standing exactly at the point of their fall.

Just at that moment, an earthquake took place, and I don't know how the dish got into the oven, but it just did. Even all these coincidences are still not enough to bake the cake. There had to be another coincidence and that is that the oven had to be at the correct temperature setting.

Right then, another thing happened by chancel the oven's dial turned on and then later it turned off by itself at the exact moment the cake was done, and so the oven turned itself off before the cake was burned."

Do you think anyone would believe such a story? Of course not.

Think for a moment: to make the sun, stars, seas, lakes, mountains, fish, cats, rabbits and human beings is a lot harder and more complex than producing a cake, but even a cake could not occur by itself through chance. Then to say that the sun or humans have come about on their own is very foolish. If there is someone baking the cake, then there is a very intelligence being who has created the sun and humans. This being is Allah, our lord(even though no one knows what he is and no one can know)
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I copied this off a book I have about Islam, but let me tell you that Allah created us human beings to test our actions and whether we would worship him or not.

Because of that, he created paradise and hell. Paradise is for the ones who did good and worshiped Allah, while Hell is for the ones who did bad and disobeyed Allah(obviously you all know of this).

Of course, I am a monotheist, but I'm slowly turning into an atheist because of the stories I read about Islam, Allah and his prophets.

I am sure that what I am talking about is somewhat off-topic, but what I'm trying to say here is that I'm also beginning to turn into an Atheist even though I'm a Muslim.

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you either go to Hell or heaven, some people go to hell for some time then go to heaven, other people go and stay in hell/heaven for ever.

You are most certainly incorrect. Whoever enters hell stays there for an eternity of torture!
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You are most certainly incorrect. Whoever enters hell stays there for an eternity of torture!

Totally wrong, If a muslim made alot of mistakes and sins.
He will go to the hell for a while, then to the heaven

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Atheist - But can you proove he does?

Ahhh, Yes because the world was created by ganadi, the water was created by the rain ( and snow ), Our eyes and brain and everything just was on us.

I hope you're joking. Do you even know what rain is, or how it happens? If you were being sarcastic, bad job.

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Also this life is a test so the point of your creation is to worship Allah
- then by all means invite him here - let us chat with this so called fellow 'Allah' - or is he busy?
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